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- #1Dec 30, 2025
What product category has gotten worse in quality, even at the premium level?
I bought a Framework laptop for this very reason. https://frame.work/
View on Redditopen_in_new - #2Nov 6, 2025
Which laptop should I buy in 2025?
See that's that the thing, an apple silicon Macbook Air will be likely faster than your Framework Notebook and there is no fan. I don't like apple, I can't stand windows and i love Linux. So the Framework notebook is tempting. But there is nothing that can match the hardware of apple right now, I hope that will change so that I can use Linux on it.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #3Nov 2, 2025
The case for repairing tech devices instead of replacing: Most phones/laptops can last 5-7+ years, saving you $600+ per device and preventing 140 lbs of CO₂ emissions
This is exactly why I went with fairphone and framework. They are both build to last and be repaired, framework even to be upgraded I also use Linux, so the age of a device matters way less
View on Redditopen_in_new - #4Nov 1, 2025
What is the equivalent of "Apple removed 3.5mm jack" of your favorite products ?
Take a look at framework computers. They aren't cheap, but literally everything is repairable/replaceable. Even better the company supports all kinds of reuse of older components when they are replaced. It won't be everyone's jam, but if ewaste gets to you it is worth checking out.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #5Nov 1, 2025
What is the equivalent of "Apple removed 3.5mm jack" of your favorite products ?
Just in case you don’t know, check out r/Framework / framework the company!
View on Redditopen_in_new - #6Nov 1, 2025
The case for repairing tech devices instead of replacing: Most phones/laptops can last 5-7+ years, saving you $600+ per device and preventing 140 lbs of CO₂ emissions
www.frame.work laptops enter the chat 💪🏻
View on Redditopen_in_new - #7Nov 1, 2025
What is the equivalent of "Apple removed 3.5mm jack" of your favorite products ?
I'm loving my [Framework](https://frame.work/) laptop!
View on Redditopen_in_new - #8Nov 1, 2025
What is the equivalent of "Apple removed 3.5mm jack" of your favorite products ?
Check out Framework Laptops. Expensive, but actually modular.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #9Nov 1, 2025
What is the equivalent of "Apple removed 3.5mm jack" of your favorite products ?
You want a Framework laptop then, you're welcome.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #10Oct 3, 2025
PLEASE HELP IM LOOSING MY MIND
If you want a laptop that will actually last you need one that is repairable and upgradeable because computer parts, especially laptop parts, will inevitably fail eventually. For that the only real option on the market right now is Framework. They're a bit more expensive because they are a small company and because modular parts are more expensive to produce than tightly integrated ones, but they have all of the options you're looking for so if you have the money for it they seem like a good option Most of their models are also highly customizable and if they don't have an SSD or RAM option you want you can leave those out, buy your own, and install them yourself I don't have one myself because I don't own a laptop (I'm a desktop guy) but I've heard mostly great things about them and if I end up getting a laptop at some point it will definitely be a framework
View on Redditopen_in_new - #11Oct 3, 2025
PLEASE HELP IM LOOSING MY MIND
I would either get a Mac or a Framework. The Framework laptops are designed so that you can easily swap out parts. Maybe a Dell Latitude depending on the model(make sure to get one that doesn't have the ram soldered to the board).
View on Redditopen_in_new - #12Oct 2, 2025
How do you feel about repairavility of products?
Well I'm telling you my experience with the company and while not as polished as customer support from bigger companies they do put in effort to make sure you can fix your machine or repurposed it after it is done being your daily driver. You don't need to like LTT or Linus to think this is a trend worth backing instead of the appleification of laptops which become less and less user repairable. I have some complaints about using SSDs from the OEM Western Digital but that is a personal preference and not an issue with Framework, as they don't force me to use them as the manufacturer for the SSD I use.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #13Oct 2, 2025
How do you feel about repairavility of products?
You may not like Linus but there can still be a good product that he likes. Other people who have said good things about Framework are Level1 techs, Louis Rossmann, Jeff Geerling, Gizmodo, to name a few. They aren't entirely just great things about the laptop acknowledging flaws and issues but also pointing out how it is user replaceable or fixable with interchangeable parts that can be purchased from other storefronts. I have been able to purchase or upgrade the WiFi card, SSD, power supply, RAM, as you could with most laptops out there who use standardized parts and don't solder everything to the motherboard. The computer is designed to be taken apart and put back together and have parts be interchangeable or replaced as necessary. In short this isn't for everyone but if you're comfortable in fixing your laptop on your own or upgrading it I have had fun doing it with this framework as opposed to my work on some older gaming laptops like ASUS Tuf gaming laptops who kind of suck to work on.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #14Sep 4, 2025
Brands That Used to Be BIFL — But Aren't Anymore?
If you want something in the spirit of BIFL (no laptop is truly BIFL) look into Framework. Modular, repairable, upgradable, and they even provide plans to utilize components replaced during an upgrade
View on Redditopen_in_new - #15Sep 2, 2025
What laptop should I buy in 2025
You can order a pre-built from Framework. they are designed to be fixed and upgraded as time goes on.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #16Sep 2, 2025
What laptop should I buy in 2025
For university I absolutely agree with a MacBook Air, a second hand or refurb one will be even better value. I thought I was productive onon Windows before (Windows + Arrow key) but Spotlight and the built in multi touch gestures (additional features can be unlocked in settings) with workspaces are just way better on MacOS (I don’t know if gestures are better in windows now because it’s just an spyware /adware OS now). Then you can super charge it with Raycast or Alfred (Raycast being my preference), Rectangle, Karabiner Elements etc. I’m so much faster at navigating around by Mac than Windows now with just shortcuts alone. Also student discount for MacBooks is a must! My best friend is still rocking my 2015 MacBook Pro, my wife my MacBook Air M1, and I’ve got the M3 Max MBP for work (still use Windows version of Excel via Parallel) and M4 Air for commute and travel. That said, my next laptop will likely be a framework as I don’t plan on upgrading my MacBooks in a while (I wanted my M3 to last me 10 years) and I want to play around with Linux, especially with Steam games becoming more available now thanks to the Steamdeck - I think that’s the only truly BIFL option.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #17Sep 2, 2025
What laptop should I buy in 2025
Whatever configuration you pick, get the DIY edition and don't buy SSDs or RAM from Framework, it's cheaper to buy both elsewhere.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #18Sep 2, 2025
What laptop should I buy in 2025
A MacBook if you can afford it. For the battery life alone it’s worth it. You don’t need to upgrade frequently. I still run an old M2 and it’s solid. I like the air for portable over the pro. Otherwise framework or system76 make amazing repairable laptops. Any enterprise laptop with reasonable specs will also do. Pick them up second hand on eBay or similar site. Dont get a laptop to draw on. They all suck. Buy the cheapest Wacom you can and use that. Alternatively, see if you can use an iPad Pro instead of a laptop and go with that.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #19Sep 2, 2025
What laptop should I buy in 2025
The business class laptops, the ones that start with T. The carbon is pretty ubiquitous so parts should be cheap. Most of the time, I don't have issue with Lenovo or Dell Latitudes. Everything else is pretty much a nightmare. Framework is honestly the best answer here. It's very DIY and repair friendly. Like, extremely. A desktop computer is extremely repairable and modular, and only one laptop company follows it. Framework.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #20Aug 12, 2025
Is buying a refurbished laptop actually better for the environment and wallet or am I risking the quality?
Pleased with a refurb Thinkpad I have. I also I bought a Framework and can swap in refurb parts/ modules or refurb motherboard.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #21Aug 11, 2025
Dad Needs a New Laptop
Framework is definitely the way to go, granted they keep the spare parts available as promised
View on Redditopen_in_new - #22Aug 11, 2025
Dad Needs a New Laptop
The only laptop that should be in the BIFL conversation is Framework. Anything else, no matter how much you like it, is not FL.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #23Aug 11, 2025
Dad Needs a New Laptop
I came to offer Framework as a suggestion as well. Picked up a Framework 13 in May with the Ryzen platform and it has outperformed my expectations.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #24Aug 11, 2025
Dad Needs a New Laptop
Not sure if it's in line with your budget and it's a young (ish) and much smaller company but I suggest taking a look at [https://frame.work/](https://frame.work/) Every part is replaceable (battery, keyboard, display, main board) and/or can be upgraded so it should last a good long while. There are some reports of quality and support issues but I have not had any issues with my 12th gen 13". I will likely update my main board to the current AMD 370 once the next version comes out (probably next year).
View on Redditopen_in_new - #25Aug 2, 2025
Which laptop to buy ?
Since you are in the BIFL sub reddit, look into Framework laptops - they are designed to be repaired and upgraded in the future.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #26Jul 3, 2025
Your Top 3 BIFL Items
Framework 16 laptop! - can repair it or repurpose it forever. Seriously I intend for it to be my forever laptop, everything in it is repairable and replaceable Cast iron - I refurbished an old one and love it! Fjallraven hiking pants - so much higher quality and comfort than regular cargo or even hiking pants
View on Redditopen_in_new - #27Jun 13, 2025
I have money to spend. Advise me.
The most bifl laptop is framework because of exchangeable parts
View on Redditopen_in_new - #28Jun 8, 2025
laptop for college and photoshop
FrameWork laptops look like they could be a great BIFL option in the near future
View on Redditopen_in_new - #29Jun 7, 2025
My nitro 5 is bad and I need new gaming laptop
https://frame.work/ They offer modular/upgradeable laptops. In my opinion this is the closest you'll get to "buy it for life" in a laptop. You'll still need to upgrade parts over time, so it's not ideal. Laptops themselves aren't designed or built to last more than a few years, let alone for life.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #30Jun 7, 2025
My nitro 5 is bad and I need new gaming laptop
No such thing as a bifl laptop. Framework maybe as close as you'll get.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #31Jun 5, 2025
Companies with reliable “right to repair” products: can we compile a list?
Sennheiser Framework Fairphone Valve Bosch Stihl Miele It is important to also mention the blacklist, companies that should be shamed and shunned, the opposite of BIFL: Nintendo, apple, john deere, tesla, dyson...
View on Redditopen_in_new - #32Jun 5, 2025
Best laptop for video editing in your opinion currently that can works well in long-term use?
Macs are a classic red herring in BIFL. They are more of a premium fashion laptop. Made of higher quality materials in part (except when they're not and the keys start popping out and Apple lie about it). Made to be deliberately un-repairable, making you subscribe to a secondary insurance/repair policy, locking you into their software services, and charging more than anyone else for equivalent hardware. It's a good business model, probably making in excess of a 40% margin on each machine. The closest real answer is [Framework](https://frame.work).
View on Redditopen_in_new - #33Jun 5, 2025
Best laptop for video editing in your opinion currently that can works well in long-term use?
When on this sub I should say Framework but to be honest MacBook Pro will be the best option. Apple current lineup doesn’t have any competition if you got the money and on top of that resell value will be way better than anything else.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #34Jun 5, 2025
Best laptop for video editing in your opinion currently that can works well in long-term use?
The only BIFL laptop is a Framework - [frame.work](https://frame.work)
View on Redditopen_in_new - #35May 11, 2025
Best laptop currently?
Framework - its modular, upgradable, and repairable.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #36May 10, 2025
Brands you swear by that have Buy It For Life quality products
Framework laptop - just bought a 3rd one - replaced my SO’s touchpad myself, love the fact I can upgrade any piece - ship of Theseus laptop
View on Redditopen_in_new - #37May 5, 2025
Need college laptop recommendation
The only laptop which is BuyItForLife adjacent is Framework. Like every laptop, the parts will age and wear with time, however Framework laptops are user serviceable, so you can upgrade or replace parts as needed. I plan on keeping mine until I die.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #38May 4, 2025
What laptop should I get as a student?
I've preordered a framework 12. It's too early to know if this is a good decision or not, but you should consider it.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #39Apr 11, 2025
Modular smartphones currently being developed?
Most close is framework, which builds laptops and now desktops. Hope phones at some point too. P. S. no, fairphone, not you. You don't have hotswappable modules
View on Redditopen_in_new - #40Apr 9, 2025
Yo guys is this laptop too good to be true?
It's possible that Framework laptops could be BIFL because they're designed to be fixable & upgradable. That said, they're relatively new, so the jury is still out.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #41Apr 9, 2025
What is your current BIFL item you recommend to everyone?
::laughs in Framework:: Every single component can be replaced and upgraded myself if needed. I already upgraded the RAM, display, and webcam after several years and none of them took more than 20 minutes. Rather than buying a new laptop when the processor & motherboard get outdated, I'll just pop in a new one. Macs may age more gracefully than a lot of other consumer models, but they're also very unfriendly to user servicing. Apple will also fight tooth and nail to avoid being held accountable if they use faulty components that fail prematurely. We saw it with swelling batteries, butterfly keyboards, etc. It's totally indefensible to claim Macbooks are the way to go for durability after *multiple generations* had their keyboards fail catastrophically within a few years due to the butterfly keyboard design.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #42Apr 9, 2025
What is your current BIFL item you recommend to everyone?
I'm calling bullshit on those claims, because they fly in the face of reality. My experience has *also* been the exact opposite of what you describe, and my background is also in tech with previous work in IT. You're the only person I've *ever* encountered who would claim Thinkpads are not worth fixing. They're famous for being quite repairable, and there's a reason there's a huge resale market for Thinkpads (just like for Macs). I've worked with both Mac and Thinkpad systems for decades (plural) although my newest system is Framework. I'll buy that Apple systems can be durable as long as you don't need to repair/upgrade but your claims about Thinkpads are simply false. > Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Carbon lasts about 4-5 years in daily business use Bullshit. Companies lease for 3-5 years because the hardware becomes outdated and the asset value depreciates rapidly. It's not worth keeping laptops for longer than that... including Macs. There's a huge secondary market for off-lease corporate and institutional Thinkpads, because they *will* last as much as a decade plus. I still occasionally get comments and question on posts I made about repairing Thinkpad X230 and similar systems, in the mid 2020s... and that's a 2012 model. People absolutely still buy and use them, often running Linux, and if you hop over to r/thinkpad you'll find people showing off running systems going back much further. The vast majority of ex-lease Thinkpads still work just fine, and they sell like hotcakes on that secondary market. Wipe them down, clean the fan or blow it out with compressed air, maybe swap the thermal paste for good measure, and they're basically good as new. > It’s still dead silent and runs like new. I have the Macbook Air 2022 in use currently. Tell that to my partner's 2020 Macbook Pro, whose fans spin up constantly and intensely seemingly without reason. You're falsely conflating the difference between ARM and x86 processor energy demands with the lifespan of the hardware. The difference between my partner's Macbook and my Thinkpads and Framework is that if the fan starts to run hard, I can readily pop the case and clean the dust and hair out of my laptop's fan or replace thermal past. > For personal use, I wouldn’t buy a Windows laptop. For personal *or* professional use, I wouldn't buy a Mac. But I'm not self-centered enough to assume the same for everyone else. If you do a little research, there are plenty of non-Mac laptops that are well-made and a lower price than Macs. Also you don't have to run Windows on them...
View on Redditopen_in_new - #43Apr 9, 2025
What is your current BIFL item you recommend to everyone?
> Ask this question: how many people generally have the will, the know-how and understanding to upgrade a laptop? Not many. It depends on what kind of upgrade you're talking about. For models that are designed for it, some upgrades are very simple. For example, upgrading memory can be as simple as powering down a laptop and turning off the battery in BIOS, popping a hatch open, and swapping memory sticks. That's something even an (appropriately supervised) young child can do with a few words of advice. For Framework laptops, the repair guides are trivial to follow and a 12 year-old child could follow most of them easily -- with appropriate supervision and an admonition to be gentle and not force things. For more complex repairs of other models, this is where third-party repair shops can fill the gap for a modest fee. That's not an option in most cases for Apple. > The laptop might have issues after several years of use. The hardware in most modern laptops will physically last *a lot* more than "several years", if it isn't damaged by mistreatment. This isn't exclusive to Macs. The problem is that if it does get damaged, with Apple you're usually going to pay them a steep fee or replace the entire laptop. With some other manufacturers you have more options for repairs at a reasonable price.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #44Apr 9, 2025
What is your current BIFL item you recommend to everyone?
Framework laptops. Well-made, and every single component is replaceable & upgradeable. Lots of room for customization too. Why buy a new laptop every 5-6 years when you can just pop in a new mainboard for a fraction of the price and get the same gains?
View on Redditopen_in_new - #45Apr 9, 2025
What is your current BIFL item you recommend to everyone?
::laughs in Framework:: Every single component can be replaced and upgraded myself if needed. I already upgraded the RAM, display, and webcam and none of them took more than 20 minutes. Macs may age more gracefully than a lot of other consumer models, but they're also very unfriendly to user servicing. Apple will also fight tooth and nail to avoid being held accountable if they use faulty components that fail prematurely. We saw it with swelling batteries, butterfly switch keyboards, etc.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #46Apr 6, 2025
Help Me Find the Ultimate Durable Laptop Under 700 USD for Streaming, Classes, and Daily Use!
Under 7000 I would recommend the framework laptop.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #47Apr 2, 2025
Lenovo Yoga Slim 7i. Laptop
While Lenovo is a decent brand, and it should last a while, computers aren't buy it for life. Framework seems somewhat buy it for life with how you can swap out parts and upgrade more easily.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #48Apr 1, 2025
Urgent Need for New Laptop
Frame.work
View on Redditopen_in_new - #49Feb 10, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Framework!
View on Redditopen_in_new - #50Feb 10, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Framework is the obvious best choice for what's closest to a real "BIFL" Laptop
View on Redditopen_in_new - #51Feb 10, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
It's more expensive usually, but Frameworks whole thing is repairablity.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #52Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
PC can live indefinitely since you can upgrade the hardware. If you upgrade a Mac it voids your warranty (which you'll need for battery replacement, otherwise it costs as much as a new computer). Check out the Framework computer. It will 100% outlast anything any other brand makes by virtue of it's upgradability
View on Redditopen_in_new - #53Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Framework, and it’s not even close. They’re the only ones who can do what they do.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #54Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Framework is exactly that
View on Redditopen_in_new - #55Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
It's not about brand, it's about not having everything soldered or glued. I have a Dell Latitude, the ssd is not soldered, the memory neither so I can upgrade those and extend it's life. In addition, it has screws so it's easy to open it. Most, if not all, ultralaptops or very thin laptops are not serviceable. If something breaks, you throw it out. Anyway, look into business models or the Framework that some have mentioned.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #56Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
[framework laptops](https://frame.work/)
View on Redditopen_in_new - #57Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
affordable and good for gaming maybe not, but I'm typing this on a Framework laptop I've had for years. I was an early adopted and it's got some teething and design issues that they've hopefully worked out in the newer stuff (air vents on the bottom where they can get blocked, weird crashes if I leave it unattended for too long). But if that sounds tolerable, this is probably the best laptop I've ever had. Their customer support is great, and it really does deliver on a modular laptop. I've had a couple ports conk out, which on any other laptop would be hundreds of dollars in repair or buying an entirely new machine. On my framework? 20 bucks, 30 seconds to swap them out. Want new hinges? 40 bucks, put them in yourself. Trackpad giving you trouble? another 50 bucks or so and an easy replacement. Plus, the metal frame on this thing seems to take hits like a champ. I constantly drop my laptop, no I don't know why, and after years of abuse the frame is dented and bent in places and warped but it's still working. Unless you look close and use it everyday you wouldn't even know. Anyway, that's my report. No idea if I got lucky or if other Framework users also like what they got. My endorsement is heavily reliant on the assumption that they've been improving things after their first batch of laptops too - they had to entirely replace my laptop/motherboard once or twice at the start, but once it got working, it's stayed working. Worth checking out.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #58Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
2 year old framework user here. Love them, actual bifl laptop. Can swap all the parts that break.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #59Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Framework or Lenovo ThinkPad (only T, E and X series though).
View on Redditopen_in_new - #60Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
If you can afford a little extra, I'd get a Framework - https://frame.work/gb/en Built to be repairable/upgradable
View on Redditopen_in_new - #61Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
https://frame.work/ It’s a notebook build to be completely repeatable.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #62Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
The only “brand” for long term use these days is Apple. If you don’t want macOS then you need to start looking at models. Every brand will come out with its own problem models each cycle. Generally you want to look for the business class models, dell latitude(whatever it’s called now), thinkpad t or x series, hp elitebook/probook. Generally these models will have longer product cycles and service manuals. I would not buy a laptop that doesn’t have a service manual. There is framework which has some amazing repairability and good product design but is a newer product with some teething issues, higher pricing and more complex support processes. Framework does offer the option to keep your chassis and upgrade your motherboard.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #63Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
You might want to take a look at Framework. They produce modular laptops that can be changed and upgraded over time.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #64Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Nothing even comes close to Framework
View on Redditopen_in_new - #65Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Framework. No contest.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #66Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Go for framework laptops, they are easy to repair and upgrade. The only downside is the long wait time. If you are open to Linux then some models of system76 are also a good choice
View on Redditopen_in_new - #67Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Framework is.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #68Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
FRAMEWORK LAPTOP! Modular and repairable. Upgrade components when needed. Or a thinkpad.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #69Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Framework
View on Redditopen_in_new - #70Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Framework hands down. A modular laptop that you can keep upgrading over time and the I/O ports are removable modules. I have been using it for over 2 years now and I don't think I'll ever purchase a new laptop. Once the motherboard gets "too old" I'll convert it to one of my servers and just replace it with whatever is the latest at the time. Same with screen, WiFi, SSD, RAM etc. Check them out at frame.work
View on Redditopen_in_new - #71Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Time will tell but I'm very happy with the Framework.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #72Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Frameworks whole gimmick is future proofing and freedom to repair.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #73Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Look into Framework. Very repairable and upgradable.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #74Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Frameworks.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #75Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
A Framework could literally be a "buy it for life" laptop, provided Framework remains in business and continues to release new upgrades for every laptop frame they've ever released. And currently, you can basically fix or replace any part on a Framework laptop, which is really great. I will say that Framework laptops aren't the most reliable laptops; they're not Thinkpads. So you can keep using one for a decade+, but you're probably going to need to do some repairs along the way. That said, if you want to BiFL, there's really nothing that compares to the Framework.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #76Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
I love my Framework. Got it about 2y ago.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #77Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Framework laptops are designed to be modular and easily repairable with every individual part available on their website: https://frame.work/gb/en
View on Redditopen_in_new - #78Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Modern Apple laptops are unrepairable and unupgradeable. TLDR: I'd say buy a Lenovo Thinkpad or Legion(for more gaming power) with replaceable RAM and SSD. The [new Dell laptops](https://youtu.be/fiG2-1GiAso) also look good, though it's hard to predict reliability for a new redesign. Or if you really want to BIFL, buy a Framework 16. Now, if you'd like details on why modern MacBooks are not BIFL, keep reading. I've cited plenty of sources, so you don't need to take my word for it: If you buy a Lenovo and the SSD, RAM, battery, or WiFi card dies, you can easily swap in a replacement. If you run out of storage space, need more RAM, or want faster Wi-Fi, just upgrade it yourself with a screwdriver. Even beyond those simple swaps many of the parts in Lenovo laptops are readily available. For example, if you break the screen Lenovo sells replacements and publishes straightforward repair procedures that are easy to follow. If you buy one of Dell's latest laptops, you can replace all of the typical parts plus even [the ports on the sides](https://youtu.be/fiG2-1GiAso) can be swapped out with a screwdriver. Microsoft sells a large variety of replacement parts for their Surface laptops and tablets both on their own website and though ifixit. Plus, when you open up the device, they have QR codes printed right on the internal components themselves that will take you to the relevant replacement guide for that part. On a MacBook if you damage a port, trash it and buy a new laptop. If the SSD dies, trash it and buy a new laptop. Storage space full? You mean you didn't pay $2200 extra on top of the $3499 base price to get 8TB storage? Trash it and spend between $5699 to $7349 to get a MacBook Pro with 8TB installed. And kick yourself for wasting over $10k on Apple laptops. If you had bought a $500 PC laptop you could have swapped in an 8TB SSD you bought on Newegg for $600, no laptop replacement required. Use that extra $9000 you saved to take your wife out for a nice dinner. Or buy a new PC laptop every year for a decade. Need more RAM, or Memtest starts indicating RAM corruption? You can get more RAM in a new MacBook(for up to a $1200 upcharge). Want to use WiFi 8 a few years from now? New MacBook. Drop it and the screen cracks? The shiny new MacBooks at the Apple store have fully functional screens. [Allow the OS updater to install the latest MacOS update on your 6 year MacBook?](https://www.macrumors.com/2021/11/01/macos-monterey-bricking-older-macs/) Now it's an out-of-warranty fancy aluminum brick. [One spec of dust snuck under your MacBook's super-thin butterfly keyboard and the spacebar stopped working?](https://theoutline.com/post/2402/the-new-macbook-keyboard-is-ruining-my-life?zd=2&zi=yhggo5vn) Replace the busted key; no wait, Apple designed it to make that impossible. You can either use the onscreen keyboard from now on🤣, carry around an external keyboard everywhere you go, pay Apple $700 to replace the keyboard, or buy a new laptop. Want to connect more than 1 external screen? Should've bought the M3 Max; for some reason these premium, expensive ["Pro"](https://youtu.be/BZuvC66rVks) laptops can't output to 3 screens like cheap PC laptops from 10+ years ago can. Well, I suppose we do know the reason; Apple artificially limited their laptop CPUs so they could upsell you to an M3 Max without the arbitrary limitation and [add to their $100 billion+ pile of cash](https://youtu.be/SqA8h0IBRmY). Time to do your part and give them thousands of dollars to add to that pile, in exchange for a new MacBook Pro that is allowed to run more than one screen. https://youtu.be/LiAzrco8wsk https://youtu.be/gdaqPhmZvPE https://youtu.be/7CEQ-ItjtN8 https://youtu.be/LiAzrco8wsk https://youtu.be/SqA8h0IBRmY And if you think the components in a MacBook are higher quality and don't fail, well, check out what the owner of the most famous MacBook repair business in America has to say: https://youtu.be/0qbrLiGY4Cg https://youtu.be/RYG4VMqatEY https://youtu.be/7cNg_ifibCQ https://youtu.be/4KuVvb9DTaU For years Apple forced their part suppliers to never sell the parts used in their laptops to anyone but Apple(so no replacement parts for sale). And Apple is literally forcing used laptop recyclers/resellers to grind the parts of used MacBooks into toxic e-waste dust so they can't be used to fix other people's failing MacBooks. https://www.inverse.com/input/culture/apples-repair-policies-are-utterly-shameful-and-shouldnt-be-allowed-e-waste-recycling-macbooks-t2 https://www.vice.com/en/article/apple-macbook-activation-lock-right-to-repair/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/apple-recycling-iphones-macbooks/ "[Apple] undermines attempts to prolong the lifespan of its products." When I bought my Sager NP8290 laptop back 12 years ago in 2013, it came with 8GB DDR3, a 750GB HDD with spinning platters, Wi-Fi 802.11g and Bluetooth 3.0. Since then I've upgraded the RAM to 32GB, added a big SSD, and connected a few external monitors. I still have 3 empty internal SSD bays if I want to add even more storage, and I could swap out the Wi-Fi card for one that supports Wi-Fi 7 and Bluetooth 5. This laptop cost less than the cheapest MacBook Pro available that year. And no amount of money could have bought a 2013 MacBook Pro with the amount of RAM, storage, or GPU this laptop now contains. This Sager still runs like a champ to this day. If I had bought a MacBook, I would have had to replace it years ago. In fact, one of my close friends bought a new MacBook Pro around 2015. Three years later the trackpad started jerking the mouse pointer around the screen, even when you weren't touching it. On Windows/Linux you might be able to [replace](https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/pd103999-removal-and-installation-step-for-trackpad-cable-and-trackpad-thinkpad-t460s) the [trackpad](https://www.ifixit.com/products/dell-xps-15-9510-touchpad), or just disable it in Device Manager and use a mouse. Not on a MacBook. After Googling for weeks and trying every potential fix or workaround we could find, she threw it out and bought a Windows laptop. I'd say buy a Lenovo Thinkpad or Legion(for more gaming power) with replaceable RAM and SSD. The [new Dell laptops](https://youtu.be/fiG2-1GiAso) also look good, though it's hard to predict reliability for a new redesign. Or if you really want to BIFL, buy a Framework 16. Here's an ifixit listing of the most repairable laptops, for reference: https://www.ifixit.com/repairability/laptop-repairability-scores
View on Redditopen_in_new - #79Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
I have one and it's great, maybe not for everyone but it is a perfect match for me. It replaced my 9 year old MacBook, which held up so great after years of constant heavy work. While Framework is awesome and you can't go wrong with them, for the general public that doesn't need the heavy customization, taking price into consideration, I am inclined recommend Lenovo. Many of my friends, tech heavy and casual users, have Lenovo laptops and they are by far the most durable and quality-for-buck that you can get, specially with the many discounts you can find. Never buy anything from HP. Never. Apart from the laptop brand, some general suggestions. This year was slow for chips, so the previous generation stuff is almost the same and you can get better stuff cheaper (don't fall for any of the AI crap marketing). You mentioned light gaming, if you don't plan to play AAA titles and want a more portable and affordable option, AMD chips (and I think some of the new Intel ones but I don't have experience with them) have phenomenal integrated GPUs that can run many games perfectly. Also look into laptops that have replaceable SSDs so you can upsize later, replaceable RAM is nice, but not as important, as the CPU/GPU will more likely be the bottleneck first. Also, not a need per se, but laptops that charge via USB C PD are great, not only can you replace the charger easily, but you can share the charger with many other devices.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #80Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Best: Apple MacBook Best Windows: Microsoft Surface? Best Repairable: Framework
View on Redditopen_in_new - #81Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Framework
View on Redditopen_in_new - #82Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Macbook if you don't mind closed ecosystem Otherwise Asus or framework laptops, unfortunately I cannot recommend Lenovo as they are not that good anymore especially anything aside from thinkpad
View on Redditopen_in_new - #83Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
+1 for Framework All the other laptops mentioned will likely go to waste once a key component is deemed obsolete. A Framework laptop will simply require the obsolete component to be replaced, and carry on as normal.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #84Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Currently it's probably framework laptops. Those are the easiest to maintain, upgrade and repair. Lenovo or asus are only good if you can get your hands on their enterprise series. Otherwise its just consumer trash and not worth it.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #85Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
Framework (frame.work) It was designed to be fixable and repairable.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #86Feb 9, 2025
What is the best laptop brand for long term use?
I haven't tried it out myself yet, but I hear great things about framework laptops. They have a modular design to be easily upgraded, repaired, and customized to last longer. https://frame.work/
View on Redditopen_in_new - #87Feb 7, 2025
Laptop Specs Recommendations
Get a framework, they aren't the best specs but even the motherboard can be replaced so it will last as long as you are willing to use their stupid bit in your precision screw driver. Other than that Thinkpads or anything made out of solid metal (aluminum or magnesium either works) but note nothing in electronics will ever be truly BIFL as the hardware innovates so quickly. Plus current generations of CPUs run hotter meaning that they will burn out sooner with those crap fans in them (part of what is nice with metal bodies like the Intel NUC laptops)
View on Redditopen_in_new - #88Feb 6, 2025
Bought MacBook Pro M4 14” and regret it. What’s next?
Framework.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #89Feb 6, 2025
Laptop Specs Recommendations
The only BIFL laptop brand that I know is Framework Other than that, if you want your machine to last 10+ years, I would consider * Build quality: aluminium over plastic * Exchangeable parts: stay away from any soldered SSD, RAM, etc, unless there are multiple slots and only one is soldered * Good protection: buy strong cases with good padding * Smaller size: big laptops have more surface to bend and break * No gimmicks: avoid laptops that have unique features like second displays, knobs, weird lighting, etc In short: what's not there doesn't weigh and can't break
View on Redditopen_in_new - #90Feb 1, 2025
Which laptop should I buy in 2025?
I am currently typing on a Framework. Every part is serviceable and replaceable. Battery can be replaced in \~5 minutes. I bought mine as a kit and assembled it myself. Everything can be serviced with a single tool, which they provide (although I just used the one from my iFixit it). I picked up the RAM on Amazon on a black Friday sale to save a few bucks. I recommend it. I have a 13", but they have a 16" that has an option for a detachable dedicated graphics card. I thought about getting the larger one, but travel overseas enough that I decided on the smaller one.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #91Jan 5, 2025
Has everything we buy reduced in quality over time? Has anything increased in quality or stayed high quality and durable?
Framework laptops are probably the most BIFL laptops available today. They’re modular and can be upgraded over time if desired. A bit more expensive than your average laptop though.
View on Redditopen_in_new - #92Jan 1, 2025
How do you feel about buying things?
When I am forced to buy, I try to buy for the long term. It’s ok to buy the cheap version once, if you use it enough to break it, get one that will last as long as possible. I drive a 20 year old car, I have owned exactly 8 outer coats as an adult, most from being too fat to fit the older ones, three were bought used. My sweaters are always a quality brand, but bought used. My pants are custom tailored and I get about 3-4 years of wear before I rotate them out. I have one style of sneaker I like, so I rotate between three identical pairs. I do the same with boots. I use a framework laptop, buy apple phones used or SE variants. For my hobbies, I buy music gear used or diy kits, I also buy my video games used or on Steam sale, I typically buy one game per year during launch week as a treat.
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